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Ruling won't stop National Day of Prayer this year

and

Justice Denied For Christians As Counsellor Refused Right To Appeal

opinions, on the first one at least, later. gotta run!



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So Mom actually told me about the National Day of Prayer ruling the other day...maybe Sunday. If you don't know, US District Judge Barbara Crabb ruled that the National Day of Prayer, with its Presidential Proclamation, is unconstitutional; it infringes on the rights of others who do not wish to pray and causes the state to unlawfully promote religion. I can't find the exact quote from the Judge, and so I'm not sure if she says it's actually unconstitutional, but I believe she does. However, here's the actual quote from the first amendment as found on the National Archives' website: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

As many of you know, it's the very first line of the first amendment to the Constitution (i.e. the Bill of Rights). As many of you also know, the term "separation of church and state" is not found in either the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. It's found in some of Thomas Jefferson's writings. I'm pretty sure I've argued the finer points of this with Katya before, but to be very technical it doesn't exist (something another judge pointed out a number of years ago, now). I won't disagree that the sentiment isn't there in a sense. It very clearly says that a government should not create a religion, make a particular religion--or in our day religion at all--an institution, or stop anyone from practicing a religion--or, again, not practicing one. The question then becomes does the National Day of Prayer and its government backing do any of those things? Does it create a religion? Does it set up religion as an institution? Does it stop someone from practicing their chosen religion as they see fit, or not practicing religion as all?

As far as I know, there is no compulsion to actually pray on the National Day of Prayer. There is also no compulsion to pray a specific prayer, to pray to a specific person or diety. The National Day of Prayer doesn't have an particular rites that must be observed from year to year. I'm sure each president has consistently observed it in his own way during their tenure, but that probably hasn't been the same from president to president. And although people who are against this see it as yet another crazy/stupid Christian thing, and the continuance of it a concession to the "Christian Right" they are technically the only ones assigning the National Day of Prayer to a particular religion. It's not the National Day of Prayer to the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, or the National Day of Prayers to the Ancestors, etc and so on. There also aren't any police beating you with clubs or tasing you if you aren't performing any religious observances at all.

Also, a lot of what I've seen from people online who are against the National Day of Prayer has been along the lines of "It doesn't do anything." "It's a pointless waste of time." "Why don't they do something more useful like give blood/help the poor/get a life." I think for most people thinking along those lines nothing I could say about how I've seen prayer change the person praying might be moot. But I can't imagine that some of the great leaders of our age fervently believed in prayer. Mother Theresa, Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X, the Dali Llama, etc. to name a few. Prayer did not make them less. It didn't prove their stupidity, it wasn't a sign of laziness, or a show of weakness. For many, I'm sure, it helped lend them strength. And whether you want to argue that they didn't actually need to pray, clearly it didn't hurt them. Even if it prayer does nothing in the end, it doesn't hurt the one who doesn't want to pray either.

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Bev Murrill comments

I laughed ruefully as I empathised with the US Secretary of State Hilary Clinton who was asked last week by a Congolese student what her husband's opinion was of the World Bank's interference in China's contracts with the Congo.

Mrs. Clinton reacted quickly and strongly, pointing out that it was she and not her husband who was Secretary of State and going further to say that although she was ready to give her own opinion, she was not about to channel her husband's opinion of the matter.

It put me forcibly in mind of several similar incidents in my own experience. One such was when a visitor to our home was engaging my husband in conversation while Rick was making breakfast. Picking up a photo of me on a stage with a microphone in my hand, he asked my husband 'Does she speak?' Rick was concentrating on the bacon and eggs and hadn't heard properly so the man repeated his question. 'Does she speak?' 'Oh yes' Rick replied, 'she speaks'. None of this would have been a problem had it not been for the fact that I was standing next to the man...ironically not invited to answer the question myself.

(Read the rest at Cross Rhythms)
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In 2001 Mike Rimmer met up with a young singer Katy Hudson. Six years later, as KATY PERRY the singer was stirring up considerable controversy.

(Read the rest at Cross Rhythms)

Randomness

Aug. 6th, 2008 12:36 pm
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Y'know a couple of nights ago I was commissing with [livejournal.com profile] lieueitak that I hardly ever update my lj. Guess I'll have to retract that.

Anywho onto the series of random thoughts: So I've been listening to Cross Rhythms Radio online (I never thought I'd thank God for windows media player, but thank God!) for the last...month or so and I really enjoy it. What I've realized, however is that because it's a UK based radio station I now know more about British goings on, particularly those of Stoke-on-Trent, than I do local goings on. To the point where, the other day, I almost updated my mother on a news-thing about a British couple shot in Antigua. It turned out that she knew what I was talking about b/c it had made national news, but I didn't know that. Weird.

Argh...I had another thought but it's gone now. S'alright, I know how to edit ;)
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You are not an accident. You are here for a reason.
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So I started and wrote most of this at lunch, which is always dangerous what with my blood sugar being in flux. This was supposed to be more of a quick thought than a whole mini-rant or -thesis (I still have to get back to you, Katya. Argh-at-self!) but turned into something longer and I had to email it to myself so I could finish. So here it be.

Anywho, while perusing Amazon.com for a song I heard on Cross Rhythms ("Spirit I Am" by Erik Bibb if you're curious), I started surfing through their links and ended up at the page for unChristian by David Kinnamen. The title itself was too interesting to pass up, so I read the description to see if it's something I wanted to put on order with my library. While reading it, though, I started to wonder whether it was really the book for conservative/fundamental (since I can't seem to decide which word best fits) me. It seemed that so many of the "negatives" connotations being associated with Christians are the very things I've been arguing in my lay Apologetic ventures. So, like any good reader who wants a sense of whether she's going to like the book, I read the comments. They weren't proving very helpful either. Their comments just weren't giving me whatever keyword or phrases I was looking for that would tell me "This is a book with a Liberal Christian standpoint, be prepared to take it that way and see what the thought process is there" or "This is a Con/Fundamental Christian book, see what you can glean from this for your own use/knowledge." I was, and am, still going to borrow it but I wanted to not be surprised. *shrugs*


And then I found this comment. What I thought was of particular interest was: "These people are perverting the teachings of the Bible to fit their own bigotry. They are no different from folks who waived the Bible in the air to defend slavery or to reject women's suffrage." Ironically enough, I'd say the same thing about him. Yes it's true that the Bible and Christianity have often been used to push people's personal agendas and not God's (Katya and I argued slavery, dietary restrictions and women's rights(?) in our "landmark" discussion, which I can't link b/c it's on a members-only site), but just because you personally don't like it doesn't mean something isn't Biblically true. To determine what is or isn't you have to go to the Book itself. And the whole book, not just passages, not just the New Testament and not just the Old Testament, but a survey of the Book that focuses on the topic in question.

That said...homosexuality is one of those topics that is carried over from the Old Testament to the New Testament, and in which there is no new commentary by Jesus or the Apostles. The Old Testament calls it a sin and abomination, and the New Testament agrees. The NT doesn't tell you to stone anyone caught in homosexuality, or whatever the punishment might have been, but it doesn't change the tone of how it is viewed by God. It's one of those things that's clearly stated and definitely reinforced. So where's the room for "twisting" the text to say it is a sin when that is what it's clearly called? Jesus said he came to fulfill the law, not negate it. If His coming didn't make theft, murder, lying, adultary, etc., okay to do then why did it make homosexuality okay or of no consequence?

And I'm gonna end here, but only because I feel a full thesis coming on.

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